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Elliott
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en el doblaje creo que pasan de jedi a jedai... pero lo correcto en ingles es lo segundo (pontela en VO), no es que sea de "starwaseros paletos" o un fallo del doblaje, como decias.
CLERKS (Kevin Smith, 1994)
hablando de starwarseros, aun le aguanta bastante bien esta cosa indie al gordo-friki, cuya frescura en personajes y dialogos hace sobrellevar su aun arrastrada hasta hoy torpeza tecnica. El peuqeño formato, blanco y negro, la novedad, el rollo generacional y las pocas pretensiones cinematograficas del producto, tambien. Lo mejor sigue siendo ese eterno "colega del prota" que es Randal, y su obsesion por las peliculas porno hermafroditas.
CLERKS (Kevin Smith, 1994)
hablando de starwarseros, aun le aguanta bastante bien esta cosa indie al gordo-friki, cuya frescura en personajes y dialogos hace sobrellevar su aun arrastrada hasta hoy torpeza tecnica. El peuqeño formato, blanco y negro, la novedad, el rollo generacional y las pocas pretensiones cinematograficas del producto, tambien. Lo mejor sigue siendo ese eterno "colega del prota" que es Randal, y su obsesion por las peliculas porno hermafroditas.
Es una opinión. La mía es que Bad Boys II era (y es) una estupidez supina, con dos imbéciles a los que su mamá les dijo que eran graciosos y se lo creyeron; un director cuya verdadera vocación es la de fallero; y un guión tan idiota que es una provocación.dawson dijo:
Cuando veo películas así se me quitan las ganas de volver a un cine.
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F_Elliott dijo:
jedai es en ingles, y jedi en español. Así de claro. No puedes poner el retorno del jedai, si traduces el título tradúcelo entero.
y cuando era crío, todos los que yo conozco, todos decían jedi.
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nogales dijo:
Hombre que duda cabe que los madrileños que se echaron a la calle esa mañana y lucharon con palos, piedras y espetones ante el ejército más poderoso del momento fue en acto de heroismo. Otra cosa fueron los motivos.
El problema es que nada de eso se ve en la peli del Garci. Ni heroes ni villanos. Sólo un teatrillo nefasto.
Yo como he dicho en Bad Boys 2 veo una película de una impecable factura técnica y con una profundidad que ya querrían para sí muchos de los que se hacen llamar autores. Michael Bay consigue otra obra maestra en su ya dilatada carrera.
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eh, ese quote no es mio, sr Marx!
no hay que traducir nada, es solo una cuestion fonetica. Dicen Vader o Veider?
yo tb decia (y digo) jedi, pero eso no quiere decir que sea lo correcto, igual que no digo spaidermen pero se que se pronuncia asi.
y nuestras madres tambien decian (y dicen) CLARK GABLE y no GEIBOL.
nogales dijo:
no hay que traducir nada, es solo una cuestion fonetica. Dicen Vader o Veider?
yo tb decia (y digo) jedi, pero eso no quiere decir que sea lo correcto, igual que no digo spaidermen pero se que se pronuncia asi.
y nuestras madres tambien decian (y dicen) CLARK GABLE y no GEIBOL.
Chicago Sun-Times / Roger Ebertseakermdc dijo:
..."Bad Boys II" is a bloated, unpleasant assembly-line extrusion in which there are a lot of chases and a lot of killings and explosions. Oh, it's all done with competent technique. Michael Bay, the director, is a master of this sort of thing, and his screenplay was labored over by at least four writers, although there is not an original idea in it...
...No one in the movie is very interesting; our eyes glaze over during yet another bone-tired retread of chase scenes that we have seen over and over again. Occasionally there is variety, as when the boys shoot up a Ku Klux Klan rally; I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything funny about burning crosses and guys in hoods. Do these images need to be given fresh circulation in 2003? The movie has a carelessness that shows a contempt for the audience...
...In a movie that is painfully long at 146 minutes, why is this scene taking up our time? The movie is so choppy in its nervous editing that a lot of the time we're simply watching senseless kinetic action. The chase scenes and shoot-outs are broken down into closeups that deny us any sense of the physical relationship of the actors or the strategy of a chase. It's all just movement...
...Everybody involved in this project needs to do some community service.
Elliott
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pero a alguien le importa lo que diga Roger Ebert? 
por otro lado, la critica de seaker solo puede entenderse en coña... no?
por otro lado, la critica de seaker solo puede entenderse en coña... no?
Claro. ¿No habéis leído la crítica que he hecho el la página anterior? La vi ayer mientras me carcajeaba con una risa epiléptica. Me entretuve porque entre tanto sinverguenza tiene algunos puntos, pero vamos, es un hecho de que como película es una mierda. Ahora bien, por su incapacidad el señor Bay me cae simpático, me entretienen sus mierdas. Con Bad Boys 2 no puedes hacer otra cosa que tomartela a broma. Es lo mejor ya que algunos momentos son de vergüenza ajena, de los más facha y reaccionario.
A mí, por ejemplo. Incluso cuando no coincido con sus opiniones, siempre tiene puntos de vista interesantes a tener en cuenta.F_Elliott dijo:pero a alguien le importa lo que diga Roger Ebert?
Yo pensé que el que estaba de vacile era dawson...
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Sangre de mayo: 5 minutos me bastaron para cambiar de canal. Había un filtro amarillo en mi tele que no me dejaba ver la seguro obra maestra y lo dejé.
Tasio: BODRIAZO inexplicablemente reputado que parece un mal corto amateurísimo de la época a una obra de un supuesto profesional. Todo lo que he visto de Armendáriz me parecen películas de una persona con profundo desconocimiento del lenguaje cinematográfico, pero este Tasio con todos los mensajes amateurs por bandera me parece especialmente denunciable. ¿Alguien entiende la reputación de este espanto? Puse buen ojo y no hubo manera.
Tasio: BODRIAZO inexplicablemente reputado que parece un mal corto amateurísimo de la época a una obra de un supuesto profesional. Todo lo que he visto de Armendáriz me parecen películas de una persona con profundo desconocimiento del lenguaje cinematográfico, pero este Tasio con todos los mensajes amateurs por bandera me parece especialmente denunciable. ¿Alguien entiende la reputación de este espanto? Puse buen ojo y no hubo manera.
Leonardi dijo:Chicago Sun-Times / Roger Ebertseakermdc dijo:
..."Bad Boys II" is a bloated, unpleasant assembly-line extrusion in which there are a lot of chases and a lot of killings and explosions. Oh, it's all done with competent technique. Michael Bay, the director, is a master of this sort of thing, and his screenplay was labored over by at least four writers, although there is not an original idea in it...
...No one in the movie is very interesting; our eyes glaze over during yet another bone-tired retread of chase scenes that we have seen over and over again. Occasionally there is variety, as when the boys shoot up a Ku Klux Klan rally; I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything funny about burning crosses and guys in hoods. Do these images need to be given fresh circulation in 2003? The movie has a carelessness that shows a contempt for the audience...
...In a movie that is painfully long at 146 minutes, why is this scene taking up our time? The movie is so choppy in its nervous editing that a lot of the time we're simply watching senseless kinetic action. The chase scenes and shoot-outs are broken down into closeups that deny us any sense of the physical relationship of the actors or the strategy of a chase. It's all just movement...
...Everybody involved in this project needs to do some community service.
Perfecto. No estoy de acuerdo, pero lo respeto. Eso sí, como todos los críticos fue de gorra.
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ahi ahi, rebatiendo al Roger... QUE PAGUE!!!
Si no recuerdo mal, en la Bad Boys 2 sale la escena del "carrusel" mítica, esa en la que están los protagonistas pegados a una pared, al otro lado está el malo, y mientras hablan, la cámara empieza a girar, y a girar, y a girar en torno a ellos, como si fuese un puto tiovivo. Bay en su más pura esencia. No es una peli para tomársela en serio, si te la tomas a cachondeo es hasta buena.
No sólo fue de gorra, dawson: ¡¡¡le pagaron por verla!!! (Así cualquiera...)dawson dijo:
Y Ebert, como siempre, ha sido muy discreto. Hay críticas de la película que entran en el terreno de lo querellable por parte de Bay, Smith y Lawrence.
nogales dijo:
Si, pero sólo en El retorno. En las otras cinco películas dicen "yedai", y fue porque para esa entrega cambiaron de traductor de diálogos y ficharon a uno que no se molestó demasiado en comprobar la pronunciación de ciertos términos. No lo digo yo, lo dice Quico Roviera-Beleta, uno de los traductores para doblaje más importantes del país que se encargó de la nueva trilogía.
El crítico de ReelViews dando un repaso a Bad Boys II:
The only thing as bad as bad comedy is bad action. Bad Boys II has plenty of both. In fact, those two things are all it has, unless you count the small helping of bad drama. When it comes to this movie, the word "bad" initially seems highly appropriate. But Bad Boys II isn't just bad - it's a catastrophic violation of every aspect of cinema that I as a film critic hold dear. It seems to have been constructed with terms like "unwatchable" and "godawful" as its slogans. There are motion picture failures every year - the resumes of Hollywood players are littered with them. But, when something this big - a would-be blockbuster with recognizable names in the cast and crew - collapses in such a spectacular fashion, it's worth taking note. Think of how many starving children could have been fed with the money that was poured into Michael Bay's latest sinkhole.
The average summer action movie aspires to be nothing more than a "lobotomy flick" - a motion picture enjoyable only by those who turn off the thinking centers of their minds while in the theater. The original Bad Boys was such a film - an excursion into pyrotechnic buddy movie mediocrity. Would that such a high compliment could be paid to its successor. Watching Bad Boys II is a singularly unpleasant prospect. Not only is it exceedingly long (the result of titanic self-indulgence and the inability of director Bay to cut anything), but each scene is worse than the one before, making the viewing experience akin to a plunge into the lowest depths of hell. Anyone who truly enjoys this movie may wish to consider seeking professional help - if they're not already beyond it.
The paper-thin storyline involves Miami PD partners Mike Lowrey (Will Smith) and Marcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence) as they attempt to take down Cuban drug kingpin Johnny Tapia (Jordi Molla) on those rare occasions when they're not too busy bitching at each other. Johnny, with the help of a Russian mobster (Peter Stormare), is flooding the West Coast with Ecstasy. Along the way, the two "bad boys" encounter their share of trouble, including car chases, shootouts, and explosions. Mike tries to hide his blooming relationship with DEA officer Sydney Burnett (Gabrielle Union), Marcus' sister, from his partner. And Marcus avoids telling Mike that he wants a transfer.
The action sequences are worse than routine - they're boring. They all follow much the same pattern: explosions, gunfire, someone rolling on the ground in slow motion, the camera circling the action two or three times, rapid-fire cuts so fast that you don't know what the hell is happening, more explosions, more fast cuts, more slow motion, and so on - until you want to scream out "MAKE IT STOP!!!" Since the projectionist will be asleep by this point, such a merciful blessing is unlikely to occur. Once in a while, Bay will vary things by throwing in a shaky handheld shot in between one slow motion shot and the next one. Or he will have a character utter an unbelievably inane line of dialogue. If I didn't know better, I would be tempted to think that Bay was attempting to parody big-budget action movies, but Bad Boys II doesn't give off the right vibes for a satire.
Not that it expects to be taken totally serious. There are plenty of stabs at comedy - although none of them hit the funny bone. It is said that any subject, no matter how taboo, can be the subject of humor. Monty Python proved that. The key is that the material has to be funny. If it misses the mark, you end up with Freddy Got Fingered or Dumb and Dumberer. And that's pretty much the territory into which Bad Boys II treads when it tries to make the audience laugh. The jokes are limited to a few inspired categories: racial slurs, cadaver mutilation, homophobic gags, and rodent copulation.
There is a charisma mismatch where the two lead actors are concerned. Despite being let down by the direction and the screenplay, Will Smith nevertheless manages to achieve a cetain level of charm, and, considering the circumstances, that's an amazing accomplishment. Martin Lawrence, on the other hand, appears to be in the grip of desperation. Despite being a hilarious stand-up comedian, Lawrence has yet to translate his outrageous personality to a screen character. In fact, it's striking how unfunny he is. Gabrielle Union is on hand to provide some T&A, and Jordi Molla froths at the mouth enough so we know he's the bad guy.
Bad Boys II represents a new low for director Bay, who, at least to this point, could be counted on to make semi-competent popcorn movies (although his one attempt at something serious, Pearl Harbor, was a laughable, lumbering failure). This film, however, needs more than salt and butter to make it palatable. Bad Boys II represents another reason to avoid multiplexes this summer, and a further argument against the serialization of movies that do not have franchise potential. Exhibits for the prosecution… 2 Fast 2 Furious, Dumb and Dumberer, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, Legally Blonde 2, Bad Boys II. Sometimes, it's damn depressing to be a movie critic.
James Berardinelli
The only thing as bad as bad comedy is bad action. Bad Boys II has plenty of both. In fact, those two things are all it has, unless you count the small helping of bad drama. When it comes to this movie, the word "bad" initially seems highly appropriate. But Bad Boys II isn't just bad - it's a catastrophic violation of every aspect of cinema that I as a film critic hold dear. It seems to have been constructed with terms like "unwatchable" and "godawful" as its slogans. There are motion picture failures every year - the resumes of Hollywood players are littered with them. But, when something this big - a would-be blockbuster with recognizable names in the cast and crew - collapses in such a spectacular fashion, it's worth taking note. Think of how many starving children could have been fed with the money that was poured into Michael Bay's latest sinkhole.
The average summer action movie aspires to be nothing more than a "lobotomy flick" - a motion picture enjoyable only by those who turn off the thinking centers of their minds while in the theater. The original Bad Boys was such a film - an excursion into pyrotechnic buddy movie mediocrity. Would that such a high compliment could be paid to its successor. Watching Bad Boys II is a singularly unpleasant prospect. Not only is it exceedingly long (the result of titanic self-indulgence and the inability of director Bay to cut anything), but each scene is worse than the one before, making the viewing experience akin to a plunge into the lowest depths of hell. Anyone who truly enjoys this movie may wish to consider seeking professional help - if they're not already beyond it.
The paper-thin storyline involves Miami PD partners Mike Lowrey (Will Smith) and Marcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence) as they attempt to take down Cuban drug kingpin Johnny Tapia (Jordi Molla) on those rare occasions when they're not too busy bitching at each other. Johnny, with the help of a Russian mobster (Peter Stormare), is flooding the West Coast with Ecstasy. Along the way, the two "bad boys" encounter their share of trouble, including car chases, shootouts, and explosions. Mike tries to hide his blooming relationship with DEA officer Sydney Burnett (Gabrielle Union), Marcus' sister, from his partner. And Marcus avoids telling Mike that he wants a transfer.
The action sequences are worse than routine - they're boring. They all follow much the same pattern: explosions, gunfire, someone rolling on the ground in slow motion, the camera circling the action two or three times, rapid-fire cuts so fast that you don't know what the hell is happening, more explosions, more fast cuts, more slow motion, and so on - until you want to scream out "MAKE IT STOP!!!" Since the projectionist will be asleep by this point, such a merciful blessing is unlikely to occur. Once in a while, Bay will vary things by throwing in a shaky handheld shot in between one slow motion shot and the next one. Or he will have a character utter an unbelievably inane line of dialogue. If I didn't know better, I would be tempted to think that Bay was attempting to parody big-budget action movies, but Bad Boys II doesn't give off the right vibes for a satire.
Not that it expects to be taken totally serious. There are plenty of stabs at comedy - although none of them hit the funny bone. It is said that any subject, no matter how taboo, can be the subject of humor. Monty Python proved that. The key is that the material has to be funny. If it misses the mark, you end up with Freddy Got Fingered or Dumb and Dumberer. And that's pretty much the territory into which Bad Boys II treads when it tries to make the audience laugh. The jokes are limited to a few inspired categories: racial slurs, cadaver mutilation, homophobic gags, and rodent copulation.
There is a charisma mismatch where the two lead actors are concerned. Despite being let down by the direction and the screenplay, Will Smith nevertheless manages to achieve a cetain level of charm, and, considering the circumstances, that's an amazing accomplishment. Martin Lawrence, on the other hand, appears to be in the grip of desperation. Despite being a hilarious stand-up comedian, Lawrence has yet to translate his outrageous personality to a screen character. In fact, it's striking how unfunny he is. Gabrielle Union is on hand to provide some T&A, and Jordi Molla froths at the mouth enough so we know he's the bad guy.
Bad Boys II represents a new low for director Bay, who, at least to this point, could be counted on to make semi-competent popcorn movies (although his one attempt at something serious, Pearl Harbor, was a laughable, lumbering failure). This film, however, needs more than salt and butter to make it palatable. Bad Boys II represents another reason to avoid multiplexes this summer, and a further argument against the serialization of movies that do not have franchise potential. Exhibits for the prosecution… 2 Fast 2 Furious, Dumb and Dumberer, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, Legally Blonde 2, Bad Boys II. Sometimes, it's damn depressing to be a movie critic.
James Berardinelli
En una revistilla que hacen aquí en Cantabria, por lo visto echaron a uno de los críticos que colaboraban, porque se negó a ver "Las Crónicas de Narnia" para su posterior escarnio. Algo así se comento en su día por el cine. 
Anoche ví "Hellboy 2" que llegó esta semana con "TDK".
Me resulto una película entretenida, pero quizá el toque personal de Del Toro, juega en esta ocasión en su contra. La ví más comiquera, y el exceso de bichos hace que no te metas demasiado en una trama demasiado fantástica para mi gusto.
El caso es que el interes por el personaje central queda supeditado a la trama del reino oculto, el principe que quiere el poder y tal y tal.
Se disfruta, pero pierde un poco la mágia del personaje, para dar paso a la parafernalia de seres y engendros que pueblan los subterraneos de nuestra tierra.
Anoche ví "Hellboy 2" que llegó esta semana con "TDK".
Me resulto una película entretenida, pero quizá el toque personal de Del Toro, juega en esta ocasión en su contra. La ví más comiquera, y el exceso de bichos hace que no te metas demasiado en una trama demasiado fantástica para mi gusto.
El caso es que el interes por el personaje central queda supeditado a la trama del reino oculto, el principe que quiere el poder y tal y tal.
Se disfruta, pero pierde un poco la mágia del personaje, para dar paso a la parafernalia de seres y engendros que pueblan los subterraneos de nuestra tierra.
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si traducís , mejor....